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  • Is he like flipping a coin every month. If it's head, he is a boy. And if it's a tail, he is a girl

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    • That was supposed to be a question

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    • Even though Charles is suppesedly gender-fluid, I don't really see it. A guy pretending to be a girl online is not gender-fluid, it's catfishing. But perhaps I've missed something. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    • It's his avatar tho

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    • Yes, and? Vincent had no idea Charlotte was actually a Charles until they met up in person on that rooftop. If Charles had been completely honest about his gender right out of the gate he would not have had to reassure Vincent that he was indeed the "Charlotte" Vincent had been speaking to all along. This does not necessarily equate to gender fluidity, it's just straight up catfishing.

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    • I get that... I kinda forgot this part . Charles isn't a saint after all. 

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    • What I would do, if I were charles is to tackle C towards the roof, and hold him. And thus stopping him from jumping off/dying. That way he will be saved. He should not have let him die. C believes in nothing? Then change him! He is worthy of living! 

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    • Nothing was ever scripted. If C thinks that there is a script, then burn it. Destroy it, and create your own. C has all the rights to be happy. If he breaks the boundaries he thinks he is in

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    • I whole-heartedly agree with you. Charles SHOULD HAVE at least tried to stop Vincent, but instead he not only did absolutely nothing, but he was too much of a coward to even honor the (heavily implied) suicide pact and follow him. This scene alone is one of the reasons I don't like Charles as a person or as a character. Granted, Charles cannot stop him from attempting again in privacy some time later, but what Vincent needed then and there was an honest effort to make him feel like this life was still worth living. 

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    • This whole situation.... Just wow.... And C expected him to be a girl...

      How is this game and the other ones are not popular?

      Now, I am beginning to wonder whether you are a boy or a girl.... Vincent thought charles was a girl, cuz he had this anime icon. And know, I question myself the same thing. After all, some things aren't what they seem..

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    • Well, if you must know, I'm a man in my mid 20s. I don't acknowledge this unless I'm asked directly, but I also do not pretend to be a girl/woman. 



      I didn't quite understand your: "How is this game and the other ones are not popular?" question. Could you rephrase it please?

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    • How is this game and the other ones (The HC 1,2, Delirium and Heaven's gate) not popular. 

      It was ignored by very many. Even though it is actually worth talking about.

      Very worth.

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    • You do make a good point in that there is a lot to discuss with this series, which is a huge part of why a series like FNAF blew up the way it did too. But like I said in a post not too long ago, HC2 and 3 don't really lend themselves well to traditional LPs where the LPer is expected to be peppy and upbeat, and the games themselves don't really have much gameplay to speak of. This isn't the kind of series that you'd show off in a social environment such as a group of friends sleeping over or in a Discord screenshare or something, and many people actually consume content like that. Only HC1 and maybe Delirium are somewhat suitable for this, thus that greatly limits the amount of eyes on this series. Also, HC1 came out in the same year that Undertale did, which pretty much kneecapped any chance of the series developing a cult following anywhere near that magnitude. At the very least, HC still managed to garner a small, tightly-nit fanbase wherein we can enjoy the series without the obvious downsides of popularity. :)

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    • I don't understand your point of HC 2 and 3 not lending themselves. And not HC being the kind of series where you would show off in a social environment. I introduced my friend to it, he likes it.... Those games need to be shown in the social environment. Because of the message they portray, as well as the quality of the plot. HC series is a very strong series. It is much stronger than Undertale. And HC has an amazing fanbase, with fans actually being respectful and rather clever, compared to Undertale fanbase.

      Those games make anyone think much more than undertale does.

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    • I like Charlotte's hairstyle change in HC 2 (Which became similar to Freya's hairstyle and Bunny freya's hairstyle). Pythias in general habe this really nice hairstyle of two long ponytails. And its really cool

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    • Ttttt1 wrote:
      I don't understand your point of HC 2 and 3 not lending themselves. And not HC being the kind of series where you would show off in a social environment. I introduced my friend to it, he likes it.... Those games need to be shown in the social environment. Because of the message they portray, as well as the quality of the plot. HC series is a very strong series. It is much stronger than Undertale. And HC has an amazing fanbase, with fans actually being respectful and rather clever, compared to Undertale fanbase.

      Those games make anyone think much more than undertale does.

      I've done the same, and had mixed results; some have liked it, others did not. I'm not saying it's impossible to introduce someone to it that'll enjoy it, but these games really don't have the wide appeal that you seem to think they do. While not the sole reason, it is likely a part of why the HC series isn't super popular. 

      The point about HC being "stronger" than Undertale is wholely subjective. I do prefer HC over Undertale, but there's no denying that Undertale is technically the better game, and it deserves the success it enjoyed. But we're getting way off topic here, since this talk thread is supposed to be about Charles Eyler and why he's a terrible character.

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    • Charles is a man who did commit a mistake. A bad one. But let's look at him in a more detail, did he do it intentionally? He was horrified to see C's deatha and he in fact has enough morals to blame himself for it.

      Who is the character who doesn't care about morals? Q84. Conclusion: Charles is not as bad. But also, it is important that Charles has himself suffered a lot, from the dreadful tulpa, the Scarlett eyler, his unborn sister. That 100% could have affected his mentality. I mean, he wasn't that sane after all.

      Mother and Scarlett deserve a lot of respect. Scarlett grew as a character and is a perfect role model, who can stand up against Q84, even if it means that she will be blended. And Mother is a loving human being, who is unfortunately depressed due to the loss of Scarlett.

      Mother spent the remainder of her life in bed. She slowly wanted to die in it. But I have a question, if I would be lying in a bed the whole day, eating, breathing and not doing anything, will that kill me? No. Mother did something else, she has starved herself... Or, she died because maybe she was taking wayy too much medicine. (True realm). But why exactly did she die?

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    • What if the mother did really starve herself in bed? And if she was so depressed, that she couldn't even move, then maybe she needed support from Charles. But if he really supported her, how did she still die? 

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    • Ttttt1 wrote:
      What if the mother did really starve herself in bed? And if she was so depressed, that she couldn't even move, then maybe she needed support from Charles. But if he really supported her, how did she still die? 

      I really don't know how she died. Maybe Charles left her alone for just a day and that was all it took for her to commit suicide or something. 

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    • But this is just a theory. Game theory

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