Describing the Fake realm of HC is extremely complex, without a specific data. Throughout 3 games, we have learned a bit about False realm and the so-called True realm
On the other hand, considering the subject of the False realm, when it comes to the world itself, the tones and colours suggests the possible apocalyptic setting. Aliens eat soap... The workers in the house are experimenting.... Dark matter makes chocolate 15% tastier.
But that is weird, isn't it. The False realm seems like not very pleasant world. However, what if it isn't just the apocalyptic setting, but rather result of war? Or invasion perhaps?
On the other hand, with having experience with 3 games (With 3rd being my favourite), the morals of this world are all gone. Through what kind of things and horrors did characters go through, so that the death seems like a very regular phenomenon.
No one gives a heck about blood, dead bodies and life itself. Everything seems to be mourning-less. I guess there is no time to mourn the dead?
Everything is breaking 4th wall. Which I like. But when it comes to the False realm itself, rather than having a fixed description for it, we only have an idea of it. And everything is filled with metaphors...
School is a whole different story. How did Scarlett in HC 3 felt safe there, if the place was filled with drugs, vomiting/dying students and some other crap...
The False Realm in the HC series is pretty much as odd and dystopian as it largely due the the mental state Charles was in at the point of his death, with his passion (albeit lack of talent) for writing heavily influencing the laws of the House. While I do have less than savory opinions on this fact and Charles as a character, it's pretty straightforward. Now, I mentioned this in a comment on the Episode 2 main page, but I really hate how HC3 handles the True Realm. I explained why there, but to recap, it turns what was supposed to be a metaphor into an actual tangible world in the canon. But I digress.
Everybody in the House save for the Charlotte units, UM, Mother, and Charles, are literally NPCs that follow their role in the story or their basic, repeatable functions. As you said, the game splinters the 4th wall, vacuums its pieces up, and embraces itself as a game. This, along with the context that nobody truly has free will in the House explains why nobody seems to give a crap about laws, morals, etc and are seemingly completely desensitized to what you listed. The Uberians seem to be a constant; they're outsiders that do whatever they want and go where ever they want, and it's not 100% clear whether or not they too are simply puppets in the play.
Q84's version of school had the Linq problem, vomiting club, and other weird stuff; since none of this was in HC2, it's an open discussion that the School setting can have some differences between the stories. If nothing else, the NPCs are not "programmed" to bully or treat Scarlett horribly in any way, so nothing there would ever really do her any harm. So for all intents and purposes, it was indeed quite safe for her.
This is so different from reality, that it is bizzare
I pray that I would never have to go to these places, expereince them.
A simple thought of dying, just to get to school is horrible.
You know, when it comes to real life, I am a person who is typically not very nice sometimes, but I tend to be optimistic. And I feel a bit weird now, after what i saw in these games. I feel that the life is great, but just thinking about the horrors that were shown... Its crazy. I never knew that something can be that messed up, yet so entertaining. Everything I believed was thrown in the dustbin, in these games. And I went through something that even I was never thinking about... The nature of some characters... The human nature... Human morals... They seem to often disappear.
Yes, and? Vincent had no idea Charlotte was actually a Charles until they met up in person on that rooftop. If Charles had been completely honest about his gender right out of the gate he would not have had to reassure Vincent that he was indeed the "Charlotte" Vincent had been speaking to all along. This does not necessarily equate to gender fluidity, it's just straight up catfishing.
What I would do, if I were charles is to tackle C towards the roof, and hold him. And thus stopping him from jumping off/dying. That way he will be saved. He should not have let him die. C believes in nothing? Then change him! He is worthy of living!
I whole-heartedly agree with you. Charles SHOULD HAVE at least tried to stop Vincent, but instead he not only did absolutely nothing, but he was too much of a coward to even honor the (heavily implied) suicide pact and follow him. This scene alone is one of the reasons I don't like Charles as a person or as a character. Granted, Charles cannot stop him from attempting again in privacy some time later, but what Vincent needed then and there was an honest effort to make him feel like this life was still worth living.
This whole situation.... Just wow.... And C expected him to be a girl...
How is this game and the other ones are not popular?
Now, I am beginning to wonder whether you are a boy or a girl.... Vincent thought charles was a girl, cuz he had this anime icon. And know, I question myself the same thing. After all, some things aren't what they seem..
You do make a good point in that there is a lot to discuss with this series, which is a huge part of why a series like FNAF blew up the way it did too. But like I said in a post not too long ago, HC2 and 3 don't really lend themselves well to traditional LPs where the LPer is expected to be peppy and upbeat, and the games themselves don't really have much gameplay to speak of. This isn't the kind of series that you'd show off in a social environment such as a group of friends sleeping over or in a Discord screenshare or something, and many people actually consume content like that. Only HC1 and maybe Delirium are somewhat suitable for this, thus that greatly limits the amount of eyes on this series. Also, HC1 came out in the same year that Undertale did, which pretty much kneecapped any chance of the series developing a cult following anywhere near that magnitude. At the very least, HC still managed to garner a small, tightly-nit fanbase wherein we can enjoy the series without the obvious downsides of popularity. :)
I don't understand your point of HC 2 and 3 not lending themselves. And not HC being the kind of series where you would show off in a social environment. I introduced my friend to it, he likes it.... Those games need to be shown in the social environment. Because of the message they portray, as well as the quality of the plot. HC series is a very strong series. It is much stronger than Undertale. And HC has an amazing fanbase, with fans actually being respectful and rather clever, compared to Undertale fanbase.
Those games make anyone think much more than undertale does.
I like Charlotte's hairstyle change in HC 2 (Which became similar to Freya's hairstyle and Bunny freya's hairstyle). Pythias in general habe this really nice hairstyle of two long ponytails. And its really cool
Ttttt1 wrote: I don't understand your point of HC 2 and 3 not lending themselves. And not HC being the kind of series where you would show off in a social environment. I introduced my friend to it, he likes it.... Those games need to be shown in the social environment. Because of the message they portray, as well as the quality of the plot. HC series is a very strong series. It is much stronger than Undertale. And HC has an amazing fanbase, with fans actually being respectful and rather clever, compared to Undertale fanbase.
Those games make anyone think much more than undertale does.
I've done the same, and had mixed results; some have liked it, others did not. I'm not saying it's impossible to introduce someone to it that'll enjoy it, but these games really don't have the wide appeal that you seem to think they do. While not the sole reason, it is likely a part of why the HC series isn't super popular.
The point about HC being "stronger" than Undertale is wholely subjective. I do prefer HC over Undertale, but there's no denying that Undertale is technically the better game, and it deserves the success it enjoyed. But we're getting way off topic here, since this talk thread is supposed to be about Charles Eyler and why he's a terrible character.
Charles is a man who did commit a mistake. A bad one. But let's look at him in a more detail, did he do it intentionally? He was horrified to see C's deatha and he in fact has enough morals to blame himself for it.
Who is the character who doesn't care about morals? Q84. Conclusion: Charles is not as bad. But also, it is important that Charles has himself suffered a lot, from the dreadful tulpa, the Scarlett eyler, his unborn sister. That 100% could have affected his mentality. I mean, he wasn't that sane after all.
Mother and Scarlett deserve a lot of respect. Scarlett grew as a character and is a perfect role model, who can stand up against Q84, even if it means that she will be blended. And Mother is a loving human being, who is unfortunately depressed due to the loss of Scarlett.
Mother spent the remainder of her life in bed. She slowly wanted to die in it. But I have a question, if I would be lying in a bed the whole day, eating, breathing and not doing anything, will that kill me? No. Mother did something else, she has starved herself... Or, she died because maybe she was taking wayy too much medicine. (True realm). But why exactly did she die?
What if the mother did really starve herself in bed? And if she was so depressed, that she couldn't even move, then maybe she needed support from Charles. But if he really supported her, how did she still die?
Ttttt1 wrote: What if the mother did really starve herself in bed? And if she was so depressed, that she couldn't even move, then maybe she needed support from Charles. But if he really supported her, how did she still die?
I really don't know how she died. Maybe Charles left her alone for just a day and that was all it took for her to commit suicide or something.
Anri may have had a twisted way of expressing it, but she did have feelings for Scarlotte. What I never understood is why she refuses to vote for Scarlotte, should Scarlotte choose to abstain or try to save someone she cares about, knowing very well that she possibly has no one else.
Anri is that kind of person, who knows how to get what she wants.
That is what I really really dislike about her. She uses people as vehicles to get to her destination, stepping over morals and even killing her brother in HC 3 (Even if she thinks that that was a self defense).
Q84's iteration of Anri was a sweetheart and can't really be compared to the wolf in sheep's clothing seen in HC2. The problems with her killing Henry (her brother) part are:
We're told this, but not shown, which not only gives us zero reason to care but makes it less believable overall.
It falls victim to the same cardinal sin that Scarlett's suicide is guilty of in HC2 in that the story introduces it and then takes it absolutely nowhere.
To prove my point, I'll show you a snippet from C's Diary wherein Charles observes that Q84's Anri is meek and easy to push around, which is quite the opposite from the one he's used to.
"Out of all NPCs, Q84 seems to have taken a liking
to Anri Warhol.
However, all she does is push her around
and make her laugh at her jokes.
This story's miss Warhol is quite timid
and vulnerable, so I can't help but feel sorry
But I keep reminding myself that she's not
the Anri Warhol I knew."
Other than that I can agree that Anri isn't that nice of a human being in most instances, with the HC2 version of her being the most egregious.
Especially if you have any inquiries regarding HC3 and you would like to continue discussing it, then I think it'd be more appropriate to carry on either here or in the actual Hello Charlotte Episode 3 comment section just to keep things on topic.
Before HC3 came out, Etherane herself stated that the pretty, white-haired, white-eyed girl we see in Charlotte is not how she actually looks. In HC2 after her delusions start to fade and when you talk to the students, some of them will call her things like "ugly" and will tell her that she looks like *&%$ ("shit", obviously), even making fun of the way she dresses. "Are you wearing your grandma's shirt?"
Hello Charlotte 3 gives us a taste of what Charlotte supposedly really looked like. But HC3 once again screws with what was previously established by introducing the whole multiple Charlotte units thing that I love so much. this effectively creates a disconnect between the "bullied one" and Charlotte because they are all manufactured to have a similar appearance with the distinct white hair and eyes; there is no room for Charlotte's appearance being a lie here. Therefor, despite what was lampshaded in the last game and what the series creator has gone on record saying, this girl is canonically NOT Charlotte, and remains nameless. Oops.
So, at best, this girl is what ended up heavily inspiring the persecution that the Charlottes end up having to endure in the False Realm after Charles' death. Her appearance in the false realm being based on Vincent's online handle C (Charles used the Charlotte handle to kind of be a female counterpart to C, iirc). If you want a conclusive confirmation, you'll have to fish for answers from Ane.
I actually created an article for this character, which you'll find here. It's still being worked on so it's not complete yet as of the time of this post, but feel free to check it out when you get the chance.